Baptistfire? Where are you?

Timmy Brister has pointed out that Baptistfire is offline this morning. Interestingly enough, the site doesn’t seem to be malfunctioning, it is simply displaying a blank page. Whether the diligent detective work by The Dickens Family hit a little too close to home, or whether they are gearing up for the next battle, we do not know. But if anyone has some additional information, please pass it along. We will continue to monitor this situation 🙂
Timmy had this to say:

“I called Nathan to check into this, but from what I can tell, BaptistFire is down. There could be several reasons for this. It could be that their server is down or they are updating their website. However, I check in multiple places, and none of their pages are loading. If they have taken down their website, I have mixed feelings. I would be glad that they no longer exist and churches are no longer being hurt by these guys; however, I do feel it necessary to address the horrible things they have posted over the years, and we have just started! Maybe they do not want to provide the information to us, or it could be that some of the SBF detectives are close to figuring out who these guys are. We’ll see if this is just a technical problem or if they are done for good.”


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18 Comments on “Baptistfire? Where are you?”

  1. Timmy Says:

    While Googling around, I came across Here’s a section in the “About” page:

    Our Name:
    Many have asked over the years why we have chosen the name “ Ministries” to represent ourselves. The answer is simple, yet complex. is well rooted in the Southern Baptist Convention. Our founder, Bro. Michael Wilhite, is a strong Southern Baptist who has a strong passion (fire) for the Lord. We believe that this “fire” is something that every Christian needs to have in their life. It is something that we strive to promote on our site and in our teachings. We also believe that the Southern Baptist teachings generally reflect what the Scripture says. Therefore we came up with the name “ Ministries,” or just “” for short.

    And in their statement of faith, here’s the parts about salvation and election:

    We believe that salvation is totally by grace alone through faith as Ephesians 2:8-10 declares. Salvation is a total gift of God, even the very faith which saves you. Man is in such a depraved state that he cannot even look to God on his own. As such, without God’s intervention in his life, man could not be saved. No man can come unto salvation unless the Holy Spirit draws him to the Son.

    We believe the Lord has elected some to be saved, not because of anything good that lives within them, but because as Scripture clearly says, it is God’s will to predestine some to salvation according to the praise of His glory. Those whom the Lord has elected, He has called to be saved and will be regenerated by the Holy Spirit and caused to have new life in Christ. Romans 8 & 9, as well as Ephesians 1 & 2, are clear pictures of this.

    I don’t know how long this site has been on the Internet, but it’s the first time I have seen it. Have any of you heard of these folks before?

  2. Evan May Says: certainly has a better look to it than That, and they appear to be monergistic.

  3. First, thanks for the link.

    Secondly, thank you for the work you are doing to set the record straight. WHile Baptist Fire has personally caused me hurt, I was not set on finding out who ran the site (outside of a whois search) until this site was established. Let us pray that God will be glorified in how we try to set the record straight.

  4. Mike Ratliff Says:

    I checked out as well. What a refreshing change from! ALso, the blank page on does far more for the glory of God and the edification of the saints than their old page.

  5. I do have to say that the “Ticket to Heaven” “Gospel” presentation on is one of the most attrocious things I have ever seen.

  6. re: my last comment
    -And its sad, b/c looking around some more on, I’ve found it to have some really, REALLY good information. It seems like our Brother Michael Wilhite holds to sound biblical doctrine, but has stopped short of letting this doctrine transform his presentation of the Gospel. Maybe someone could contact him w/ some help and encouragement in this regard…

  7. 4ever4given Says:

    RE: being down… well, the devil didn’t do it. Wouldn’t that be like a house divided?

  8. Reformed Hacker Says:

    The site is down because it was hacked by someone. Hacking must be used in support of our Calvinist’s efforts.

  9. Gene Says:

    Okay, folks, let’s watch the chatter. (A) It is possible they were hacked. (B) It’s possible that if they were they would blame us for it. (C) It’s also possible they shut it down to claim they were hacked only to blame the Calvinists. (D) It is equally possible, they are updating their website or server. (E) It is possible they are taking their site down. Personally, I don’t care–but, for the record, we did not do it, we have no knowledge of it, and if anybody did hack them, it is an illegal act.

    Please refrain from posting inflammatory material that might provoke individuals on either side of the aisle.

  10. Stephen Ake Says:

    I checked the Internet Archive Wayback Machine for old versions of the site, but their robots file on their web server is still intact, unfortunately blocking access to the old archived pages.
    What we can see is that the history goes all the way back at least to 2000, and in March 2005, they must have found out about the Wayback Machine and explicitly forbade it from archiving any further pages shortly after March 22, 2005. I confirmed this by finding in the robots.txt file:

    # robots, scram

    User-agent: ia_archiver
    Disallow: /

  11. 4ever4given Says:

    My sincere apologies and lack of discernment.

    Hacking is running rampant. My zone alarm discovered 8 hacking attempts on my web site and personal computer yesterday.

  12. Gene Says:


    Hold out your right hand.

    Now take you left hand.

    Smack your right hand.

    Say, “Don’t do that again.”

    Now your left hand knows what your right hand did. Learn from your mistake. All is forgiven. Thank you for showing your honesty and integrity and genuine repentance.

    God bless

  13. Nathan White Says:

    Actually, maybe I should repent too, Gene. I’m the one who approved our troll named ‘Reformed Hacker’ simply because I thought it was funny 🙂

  14. Sam Hughey Says:

    Reformed Hacker Says: The site is down because it was hacked by someone. Hacking must be used in support of our Calvinist’s efforts. I pray this was not done. An opponent has as much right to post what we view as error as we, that our opponents view as error. It is highly unethical and unBiblical character for anyone to break the law in order to quiet an opponent.

  15. Carla Rolfe Says:

    I took a look at the source code for the page and it’s been wiped completely clean. I do hope they were not hacked, but have just taken their own site down.

  16. Gene Says:

    Sam, Lisa made the comment, and has admitted it was inappropriate. She did NOT hack the site.

    Yes, Carla, it is odd that the source code is gone too. Maybe they are doing an upgrade. You can still ping the URL, so the port, IP, and server are still functioning.

  17. Gene Says:

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if they took it down to revamp and change the URL. I suspect that their readers sometimes get diverted to Ergo, they may pop up again under a new name.

  18. 4ever4given Says:

    I’m not “reformed hacker”… but yes, I do sincerely apologize for my “the devil didn’t do it, house divided” comment. IT was totally inappropriate. And I appreciate the genuine forgiveness and disply of integrity at this site.

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